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[keeplearnin]

r-22 has doubled in price for the last 3 days, what do you think it will be at by summer? Answer without dollars since against the rules but do yo think it will be very much more or about the same????

[dandyme]

don't think ity will be as much as I paid for the last 502 I bought; 4 digits left of decimal

[keeplearnin]

not yet anyways

[John Markl]

Depends on what happens to the price of drop-in replacements.

Lots of people hoarded R-12 15-20 years ago.....and sat on it too long.....now there are at least half a dozen drop in replacements, and the R-12 sits on the hoarder's shelves.

[simplyrollin]

Yes indeed, the price has doubled here in NC since Monday! The look on customers faces this summer for a few pounds of refrigerant is gonna be amazing. Not only that, but Carrier has had an across the board increase of 5% on every single thing they sell. I guess we have no choice but to pass the increases onto the customer.

[ChrisTechMech]

I guess so Simplyrollin. That's insane about those prices. I new the prices would go up (like everybody else) but I didn't expect them to spike like that. I wonder if they'll come back down again.

[dan wong]

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/311303645/R22.html

[LA1]

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/311303645/R22.html

Dan,

Have you used them before? Does is a have a minumum order?

[jtstuart]

I talked to my local supplier yesterday and he said to not get to hopped up yet! he thinks yes the prices are crazy and will come back down after things settle in. lets hope!

[Dad]

I wouldn't be counting on that link to help much... his advertising dollar amount is bait, you must email for "updated pricing".

[Dad]

I spoke with a national vendor last night. Said... everyone should calm down and don't go for the spike, it will settle.

In the meantime this national vendor will not sell bulk at this time (a limit was not given). Any non regular customers will be limited as well. They are setting this policy to keep from running out for the regular service guys but this vendor will only be getting 45% or their normal stocking order for now.


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[martyinlincoln]

I spoke with a national vendor last night. Said... everyone should calm down and don't go for the spike, it will settle.

In the meantime this national vendor will not sell bulk at this time (a limit was not given). Any non regular customers will be limited as well. They are setting this policy to keep from running out for the regular service guys but this vendor will only be getting 45% or their normal stocking order for now.


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That's the scary part. The price is what it is but supply houses using up their quota by the end of July is going to be a big problem.

[Baycienda]

Has anyone truly heard a good reason why it is suddenly going up?

I understand its being limited and its going to go up and be phased out, but why the big spike all of a sudden?

Is it a coincidence that the ahri conference was at the same time? I don't know. Was there an EPA audit of refrigerant? What happened?

[craig1]

Has anyone truly heard a good reason why it is suddenly going up?


The government has not set the amount that manufacturers are allowed to make or import this year. Because of that, they can't make any.

Our government at work. :gah:

[Blackmer]

My favorite quote. Hi we are from the government and we are here to help.

[Kevin O'Neill]

Importing Freon 22 is illegal now, just like making it. So that link does you no good.

Around here no price increases for 2 days. Stable for now. Not many buying at the new prices either, so panic buying has stopped for now. Or maybe that is partly because some suppliers are out of stock with no new deliveries comig in. One supplier who has it says he sold 1 drum each of the last two days.

[Baycienda]

I'm kind of worried. I was wondering if you guys can help settle my mind. I took some information from this site and a couple of other sites and just from talk from distributors over the last 6 months and especially over the last couple of weeks and convinced my boss to make a big buy.
We bought two pallets at under 6 months ago price delivered. With dad talking about it coming back down you've got me a little worried. Those interest payments add up quick and I don't want to go from hero to zero. Do you think we should sit or sell?
I know freon price is regional, but do you think it will settle down to twice its price? Or 1 1/2 times? Or back to its original? Can you spill some info dad? I understand if you don't, what do you guys think though?

[Kevin O'Neill]

I doubt that it will go below the price that you paid 6 moths ago. It may go back down to $300 a jug, after the panic goes away, but Idoubt it. Most likely the price will stay about $$$$ a jug. I just would sit on it.

The profits will outweigh the interest payments. Production will only be 50% to 60% of what it was last year. Prices will stay up till there is no more.

[dan wong]

Dan,

Have you used them before? Does is a have a minumum order?

No I have not used them before. My guess is; if it is cheaper to import, somebody will find a way.

[Icefixer]

Rumor around the supply house is that Carrier made a stink and petitioned the EPA to ban the dry charge units. Or the EPA got pissed because we were buying dry charge units instead of buying R410 units.

[mofotech]

Funny I am reading this info on hvactalk forum. About 2 weeks before while in school, the teacher from the other hvac class came over to our teacher. Our teacher was showing us how to make off-sets in ductboards and the other teacher popped the questions about R22 freon prices. He had a price list from one of the local supply shops in miami, fl in his hands and was showing our teacher the crazy prices. It was damn expensive, I think it like tripled in prices. He was pretty ticked off and our teacher was in shock too saying he ordered a few weeks before and it wasn't that bad. LOL and most of the units in our class use R22. LOLL..... I guess we'll be using more 410a freon .

[billygoat22]

If the price stays up, I'd keep customer's old r-22 and put it back in the system (more so than in the past). such as a txv replacement on a system w/o service valves.

High enough prices and you could buy their own new recovery jug to put it in until repairs are done and reuse it.

[AtticAce]

Depends on what happens to the price of drop-in replacements.

Lots of people hoarded R-12 15-20 years ago.....and sat on it too long.....now there are at least half a dozen drop in replacements, and the R-12 sits on the hoarder's shelves.


Just bought two 30 pounders of unopened R-12 at a flea market for $15 each.
The seller thought the tanks contained some kind of glue.

[chuckcrj]

Just bought two 30 pounders of unopened R-12 at a flea market for $15 each.
The seller thought the tanks contained some kind of glue.

I would check them with a Refrigerant identifier. When r12 went high there were some overseas companies filling them with r290 and counterfeit labeling them as r12 with a common American brand such as Dupont.

[Kevin O'Neill]

If the price stays up, I'd keep customer's old r-22 and put it back in the system (more so than in the past). such as a txv replacement on a system w/o service valves.

High enough prices and you could buy their own new recovery jug to put it in until repairs are done and reuse it.

We have been doing that for years. If it is not a burnout, we reuse the refrigerant by recovering into a clean empty cylinder, then putting it back into the unit after the repair is complete. I could not see any reason to throw it away. besides, we still have to pay to get rid of it.

[HVACR2012]

The EPA cut production of R-22 by 45% that's why there was such a big spike in price.

[joemach]

We have been doing that for years. If it is not a burnout, we reuse the refrigerant by recovering into a clean empty cylinder, then putting it back into the unit after the repair is complete. I could not see any reason to throw it away. besides, we still have to pay to get rid of it.

You have to pay to get rid of R-22?

We can get about .50 a pound if we use the approved container from APR.

Or we can always get rid of it for free. They recycle it.

[sweat hog]

Look out Arizona the cartells are moving to r-22.
Whats happening with prices in Canada?.